British Kennel Club to Train “Pit Bull Identification Experts” to Help Sentence Pit Bull Types to Death
What the heck happened to the British being dog-friendly? Thanks to the fabulous K9 Magazine for barking about this travesty.
Want to Send a Dog to Its Death? Get ‘Qualified’ to do so in 240 Minutes
Posted By Alison Green Date: 12/02Kennel Club to train up Pit Bull Identification experts in just four hours
The Kennel Club, despite its cries of “Deed Not Breed” are planning to create a panel of “experts” trained to identify pit bull type dogs. I use the term “experts” lightly because these particular “experts” will attend a course just FOUR hours long.
The course, to be held at Battersea Dogs Home on the 18th February will run to the following agenda:Course start 12pm with a 30-minute talk by Trevor Turner on how to identify a “pit bull type”.
Those in attendance will then spend one hour practicing their identification skills on an unknown number of dogs.
A further hour will be spent on an analysis of the findings by Trevor Turner.
Then a 30 minute break before an hour long talk from Trevor Cooper on the court proceedings for expert witness’s.
Course concludes at 4pm.
Whether there will be a “type” dog examined on the day by the trainees is unknown, if it is a registered dog it is safe, if not what will happen to this dog examined on the day?
My understanding, although as yet not confirmed, is at this stage you will receive a certificate of your “expert” status and are then able to use your new found knowledge where ever it may be needed.
I have a great respect for both Trevor Cooper and Trevor Turner. They both do fantastic work on defending cases of cross bred dogs accused of being Pit Bull types. Someone has to identify dogs under the current system we have,but is a “dangerous dogs identification day” really the role for a national pro-dog organisation to take?
What message does it send out; that on one hand it is widely accepted that you can not determine whether a dog is dangerous based on its physical appearance, but on the other hand you run a course to certify people to do just that, in your name, whilst still claiming to be “Deed Not breed”? Will we reach a position where a Kennel Club accredited “expert” gives evidence in a court of law for the prosecution of a family pet, or states a dog is “type” in a rescue or dog pound and a dog dies because it looks wrong?
I cannot understand how the Kennel club keep saying “Deed Not Breed” yet refuse to argue for an overhaul on the law due to “political climate” and are now training up “experts” in just four hours!
I have some knowledge on the law. I have seen plenty of so called “pit bull types” . Excuse me for shouting but YOU CANNOT TRAIN UP AN EXPERT IN JUST FOUR HOURS! These “experts” will be laughed out of court and dogs may die because of them.
It is thought that these experts are mainly vets and behaviourists. They will presumably, once they have their certificate, be able to go into pounds, rescues and anywhere they are asked to go and state whether, in their opinion, a dog is a pit bull type or not. I say “in their opinion” because that is all it is. An opinion based on just TWO AND A HALF HOURS hands on pit bull type identification training. On their say so a dog could live or die. That’s what it boils down to, particularly in rescues and pounds where no owner is there to fight for them. Those dogs are going to die. Just like Red.
There is the other side of it of course. A dog may be deemed “not type” by the KC experts. Only one problem with that. It will NOT make that dog safe. It it will not stop that dog being seized by someone else who believes the dog IS type. Until a dog is spared from being a pit bull type by a court of law it is not “safe”.
If it really was as easy as saying “so and so says it’s not type” we wouldn’t have any cases in court. In court we have those for the defence and those for the prosecution and it all falls on whom the judge believes. Even with the best experts with years of experience in identification and court proceedings you still lose on “type” more than you win.
The burden of proof is reversed; it’s up to you to prove your dog is not type. What of pets who are examined and found to be of “type”? What then? You cannot go and register the dog yourself to bring it within the law. What does an owner do? Dogs without owners who are then deemed to be of type will die. You cannot re home an unregistered pit bull type.
Will those owners whose dogs are seen by the so called experts, be fully aware of the extent of the training received? Will they be told that there are more experienced people out there who may have a totally different opinion? Will they seek a second opinion before a dog is killed?










WTW!?!?!?!?!?!
Christ! this is amoral on so many levels! You can have ANYBODY making life and death decisions about innocent animals (or people for that matter), but to “qualify” someone to do so on 4 hours..it goes beyond ridiculous, this is perverse. Hopefully they’ll be an uproar and whomever came us with this “geniosity” will be shame into a hole in the dirt. Disgusting!!
Christ! this is amoral on so many levels! You can not have ANYBODY making life and death decisions about innocent animals (or people for that matter), but to “qualify” someone to do so on 4 hours..it goes beyond ridiculous, this is perverse. Hopefully they’ll be an uproar and whomever came us with this “geniosity” will be shame into a hole in the dirt. Disgusting!!
Considering England “invented” many bully breeds, it’s a shame that they are now turning their backs on them. Do staffies (staffordshire bull terriers), the nannies of the dog world, now have to fear for their lives? Apparently so. Shame!
Wow this is truly scary. Mosy bully breeds were originated in UK and Germany. They are now heavily BSL. Please good pups this must be stopped. How can anyone be certified anything in 4 hours? This makes me sick and even more sad for the poor pups and their people who will suffer from these “state” enforcers. Yes any pup is at risk. Thank you for posting this very sad state of dog affairs sponsored by a “reputable” organization.
I used to respect the UKC. I now HATE them. If I was a breeder in England, I would NOT register ANY of my dogs with them! Thank you for posting this. Now I will know NOT to ever support, recommend, or help them in AMY WAY!
the same think happened in Queensland Australia,only they have just 2 and a 1/2 hrs training in how to identify a pit bull or a pit bull type dog.
They used a bastardized version of the UKC breed standard for the APBT to see if a dog is a pit bull or not.
Tens of thousands of dogs that are not pit bulls or even cross breeds have been caught in the net of this ID system, taken away from loving homes, because they look a certain way, It Really is Canine Racism and persecution.
Google 22 point ID test.
Johnno,
Sadly I think the UK has ’sleep walked’ into BSL. Not enough people had or indeed have the strength to publicly call for the lifting of section 1 of the DDA. When our own Kennel Club is putting out a statement saying ‘the political climate is not right’ to ask for a repeal of section 1, who else is their to stand up for dogs?
Australia seems to have been caught in the same net. What we need, I believe, is more organisation. Yes, we all need laws designed to protect people from dangerous dogs. And the simplest way to do that? Protect DOGS from dangerous PEOPLE in the first place! Seems obvious enough to me.
I’ve been saying for some time now the UK would be better to simply abolish the DDA and instead introduce and compulsory dog ownership certificate - much like a ‘doggy driving licence’ so before anyone can own a dog, they should prove themselves up for the job. Essentially we have a system at the moment that says it’s ok for anyone to get a dog, no matter what you do as an owner if things ‘go wrong’ we’ll kill the dog and you can just ‘have another go’.
It’s the equivalent of saying to drivers…”don’t bother with the training or learning or understanding of the law. If things go wrong and you crash, we’ll just destroy your vehicle and you can hop back behind the wheel again.”
The logic is not there and the stats on dog attacks does not support BSL.
I’m hoping to put something together over here in the UK to try and mobilise dog owners into action. Unless we speak up, in numbers, the Govt will continue to trot out bad dog laws.
Just ready about ‘Missey’s’ sad story for further evidence
http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/355/breed-specific-legislation-killed-our-dog/