Nathan Winograd Chatting Live Tonight at RescueNetwork.org
Thanks to Christie K. from the ever-helpful and informative PetConnection for barking in this announcement.
Christie K. wrote:
Hi, Joy! Just letting you know, since you’re blogging about “Redemption,” that Nathan Winograd is going to be doing a live guest chat at RescueNetwork.org on Friday, February 1, at 9 PM Eastern/6 PM Pacific. The link is here for more info.Thanks!
Christie
It is too bad that Mr. Winograd cannot come to terms and realize the harsh reality that dog overpopulation is indeed a crises and not a myth. If someone like him would get behind the wonderful California proposed bill, AB 1634, and put his full efforts in to that, maybe some real progress would become reality. With ideas like his, the shelters will never empty.
I am proud to live in a Huntington Beach, California, where a similar bill was recently passed.
The dogs of California, of AMERICA, need AB 1634, Mr. Winograd.
Unlike Golden Girl I applaud Mr. Winograd’s efforts to bring sanity to the unreasonable Breed Ban and Mandatory Spay and Neuter legislation discussions currently being floated in the State of California. It is never right to punish responsible dog owners by lumping them in with the lazy, the irresponsible and the criminal. There is absolutely nothing wonderful about AB1634 - nothing.
When all the dogs are neutered, where do you think the next generation of dogs will come from?
Every breeder, whether lousy or responsible, is to blame for the dog overpopulation crises. Along with the spay and neuter legislation, we also need strict breeding laws to restrict who can breed and in what matter they can do it. Once the shelters are empty, breeding can begin again.
It is foolish to think we wille ever “run out” of dogs, be they homeless or by the breeder.
Every breeder, whether lousy or responsible, is to blame for the dog overpopulation crises.
And every shelter, whether lousy or well-meaning, is to blame for killing the animals who come in their doors.
Don’t you see how completely counter-productive the blame game is? It makes shelters and pet owners into enemies. It makes people who love animals adversaries instead of allies.
This problem isn’t “pet overpopulation,” the problem is that there are animals dying in shelters. Would you care how many animals were being born, if there were no animals dying for lack of a home?
Yes, there is a moment in time when you have to shut off the upstream flow. We’ve done that, certainly in California, where shelter deaths have dropped by the millions in the last 20 years and most pet dogs and cats are already altered.
It’s time for the next stage, to implement policies and procedures of animal control and sheltering that renounce the use of killing as a tool of animal population control.
Will the shelters ever be empty? Of course not. Will shelters ever close their doors? I hope not. Just as there will always be people in need of a safety net, there will always be animals in need of sheltering.
All you need to do is bring the number of animals entering your shelter system on a community-wide basis BELOW the community’s threshhold for dealing with that number, and you have solved your problem. It is no secret or mystery how to do that. Many communities already have — and not ONE of them has done it with a law mandating surgical sterilization of all pets.
Why is LA County implementing a strategy that has never worked, anywhere, to achieve their stated goal, instead of one that has?
Why are comments not working?
Francis Rocks and Bipedess,
I’ll have to check on that. It may have been a temporary upgrade problem. If you have any more problems with it, please bark at me directly using the link to the right.
AB 1634 is not forward thinking it’s thinking back to the failures of this century in pet sheltering instead of looking to the future with a No Kill Agenda (Winograd the real deal). Shelters fudge their numbers import dogs and try and deflate the killing they are doing.
Mandatory Spay and Neuter laws do not succeed. Neither do pet limits. Now don’t assume I don’t want to solve pet population issues just because I’m opposed to MSN. I opposed to any mandate that could be better resolved by education.
This is a clear shift, which moves shelter thinking and operations from reactive to a proactive strategy. This model has worked in large and small shelters, rural and urban and those with and without funding.
Mr. Winograd’s work is inspired by the success by Richard Avanzino at the San Francisco SCPA and takes the humane animal movement back to its roots, which was a noble cause and NOT WHAT IT IS TODAY.
http://www.nathanwinograd.com/
Listen to his podcast
http://nathanwinograd.podbean.com/
In moving toward a No Kill Nation, Nathan Winograd’s model includes Shelter accountability, which means mapping successes and failures, engagement with the community, and leadership with a commitment to succeed. Mr. Winograd’s Model is proactive not reactive. IT IS UNIFYING NOT DIVISIVE. ANYONE WHO TRULY LOVES ANIMALS CAN SUPPORT THE NO KILL NATION.
Please see linked reports on why MSN FAILS! Don’t believe the big lies by those who support AB1634.
http://saveourdogs.net/experience.html
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/pdf/mandatorylaws.pdf
http://www.cfainc.org/articles/legislative/mandatory-spay-neuter.pdf
http://www.ab1634.com/Files/ARE_MSN.pdf
AB1634 and its loopholes for puppy mills is all that is wrong with MSN in one bill.
Is there anyway to see the chat transcript without becoming a member of the site?
The transcript will be published next week — you don’t have to be member of the site to come to chats or read anything at all… you only have to register if you want to post in the forums or upload to the photo galleries.
Quote from Golden Girl: “Once the shelters are empty, we can breed again.”
This is why MSN really scares me. Reputable breeders are breeding dogs to better their chosen breed. I do not wish to see breeds I love decimated by these laws. You can’t just stop breeding dogs until shelters are empty and then reputable breeders can just start up again. What happens if it takes 15 years to clear the shelters, and all of their dogs are dead? Do you really want to put an end to breeds like the German Shepherd who are police dogs, Bloodhounds used for SAR, Newfoundlands who are used for water rescue, herding dogs that help farmers, etc, etc, etc…..
I am thankful I do not live in CA and I don’t have the threat of politicians telling me when I have to get my dogs spayed and neutered. Surprisingly enough, my vet and I possess enough intelligence to collaborate and decide the healthiest age to spay or neuter my dogs.
I’m glad we are all having this conversation. Let’s at least get the dialogue started between the shelters, the public, the breeders, and the rescue groups. I believe we all want what is best for the animals even though we all go about it in different ways.
Finger pointing and demonizing each other has not worked. Let’s get smart and bring a fresh perspective. I’m a dog rescuer but you know I work with a local puppy store to promote my dogs. Let’s work with each other!
The key to solving these problems is EDUCATION. Without education, any decisions made or laws passed are ill-conceived and one-sided. People who love their pets and are EDUCATED about the issue are far more likely to spay and neuter their companion animals voluntarily. Reputable breeders do not overbreed their animals, because they are EDUCATED about the consequences, to their animals and the litters produced. Check out the links provided by Francis Rocks, listen to Mr. Winograd present his suggestions, and read what the MSN proponents have to say. EDUCATE yourself–and be responsible for YOUR animals!!