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	<title>Comments on: Presidential Candiate Mike Huckabee&#8217;s Son David Tortured and Killed Stray Dog in 1998, Charges Never Filed and Huckabee Not Punished</title>
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		<title>By: Dangerous Animals</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dangerous Animals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think Huckabee should be punished for what his son did but yeah, that&#039;s messed up. I wonder why he did that. It&#039;s crazy how much dirt politicians have on them... :/
-Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think Huckabee should be punished for what his son did but yeah, that&#8217;s messed up. I wonder why he did that. It&#8217;s crazy how much dirt politicians have on them&#8230; :/<br />
-Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think you are all right out of your minds.  You&#039;ve clearly blown it out of proportion, confirming the fears of the people who apparently tried to keep it quiet.  The quote doesn&#039;t at all lead one to believe that his son &quot;tortured animals.&quot;  This was one instance--one mistake, even, and he payed the price if it was a mistake.  There&#039;s a world of difference between enjoying the suffering of a living creature, and trying to put it out of its perceived (whether mistakenly or unmistakenly) misery.

Basically, while there aren&#039;t enough facts to show that he was without fault in the matter, there certainly aren&#039;t enough to support some of the ludicrous claims I&#039;ve been reading, and by which I found my way to this blog from a YouTube video that claims simply that &quot;when David Huckabee was 17 he hung, slit the throat, and stoned a stray dog to death,&quot; and has a &quot;history of animal cruelty.&quot;

Have any of you ever put an animal out of its misery?  I had to do it with a mouse once, because it was hopelessly caught in one of those adhesive mouse-traps.  It wasn&#039;t easy, I didn&#039;t have a little gun to put to its head (do they have guns in the Boy Scouts these days?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think you are all right out of your minds.  You&#8217;ve clearly blown it out of proportion, confirming the fears of the people who apparently tried to keep it quiet.  The quote doesn&#8217;t at all lead one to believe that his son &#8220;tortured animals.&#8221;  This was one instance&#8211;one mistake, even, and he payed the price if it was a mistake.  There&#8217;s a world of difference between enjoying the suffering of a living creature, and trying to put it out of its perceived (whether mistakenly or unmistakenly) misery.</p>
<p>Basically, while there aren&#8217;t enough facts to show that he was without fault in the matter, there certainly aren&#8217;t enough to support some of the ludicrous claims I&#8217;ve been reading, and by which I found my way to this blog from a YouTube video that claims simply that &#8220;when David Huckabee was 17 he hung, slit the throat, and stoned a stray dog to death,&#8221; and has a &#8220;history of animal cruelty.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have any of you ever put an animal out of its misery?  I had to do it with a mouse once, because it was hopelessly caught in one of those adhesive mouse-traps.  It wasn&#8217;t easy, I didn&#8217;t have a little gun to put to its head (do they have guns in the Boy Scouts these days?).</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone does now that this is how serial killers start, will animal abuse, mutilation and killing.  If you don&#039;t believe me pick a name out of the air and check it out.  Jeffrey Dahmer anyone?  I&#039;m sorry I know Mr. Huckabee Sr. did not personally take part in this (?) but if you can&#039;t even raise your kid right, you should not be running a country.  And the fact Huckabee buried it just goes to show you what kind of President he would be, more of the same lies and deception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone does now that this is how serial killers start, will animal abuse, mutilation and killing.  If you don&#8217;t believe me pick a name out of the air and check it out.  Jeffrey Dahmer anyone?  I&#8217;m sorry I know Mr. Huckabee Sr. did not personally take part in this (?) but if you can&#8217;t even raise your kid right, you should not be running a country.  And the fact Huckabee buried it just goes to show you what kind of President he would be, more of the same lies and deception.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Cordry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Cordry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is very relevant to Huckabee’sability to lead our country as president…apples do not fall far from the tree, and this story highlights and confirms my belief that Huckabee is just one more in the line of dirty politicians!  I am noit judging him on the actions of his son, but his actions following the incident.  No, I don’t think this is the first politician’s kid to get in trouble. But what bothers me is the senoir Huckabee’s reaction. He put is full gubernatorial pressure behind hushing up the story and then firing the one person who didn’ t gladly jump in line. Do you really want a president who is more interested in protecting his mentally disturbed child than the well-being of the rest of the nation? I sure don’t!  Sounds like obstruction off justice to me.  Huckabee is an evil, vile man. He is a liar and a hypocrite and a danger to our country.   

I personally will NOT vote for this man, if you choose to label him one, I for one do NOT!  He allowed his son to get away with a heinous crime against an animal, tried to conceal it and has done nothing in the way of animal rights in ANY office he&#039;s held!  He&#039;s a detriment to animal welfare and rights, as well as women&#039;s rights!  Karma is a wonderful thing...and the Huckabee&#039;s will REAP what they Have Sowed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is very relevant to Huckabee’sability to lead our country as president…apples do not fall far from the tree, and this story highlights and confirms my belief that Huckabee is just one more in the line of dirty politicians!  I am noit judging him on the actions of his son, but his actions following the incident.  No, I don’t think this is the first politician’s kid to get in trouble. But what bothers me is the senoir Huckabee’s reaction. He put is full gubernatorial pressure behind hushing up the story and then firing the one person who didn’ t gladly jump in line. Do you really want a president who is more interested in protecting his mentally disturbed child than the well-being of the rest of the nation? I sure don’t!  Sounds like obstruction off justice to me.  Huckabee is an evil, vile man. He is a liar and a hypocrite and a danger to our country.   </p>
<p>I personally will NOT vote for this man, if you choose to label him one, I for one do NOT!  He allowed his son to get away with a heinous crime against an animal, tried to conceal it and has done nothing in the way of animal rights in ANY office he&#8217;s held!  He&#8217;s a detriment to animal welfare and rights, as well as women&#8217;s rights!  Karma is a wonderful thing&#8230;and the Huckabee&#8217;s will REAP what they Have Sowed!</p>
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		<title>By: Joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annje,

Thanks for barking in.  The more information we get on all the candidates, the better.</description>
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<p>Thanks for barking in.  The more information we get on all the candidates, the better.</p>
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		<title>By: annje</title>
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		<dc:creator>annje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>12/17/07 at 4:51 pm Genia 

&quot;There are not enough actual facts in this story. These are only allegations, no proof, no truth the young Huckabee was a part of it.&quot;

I am afraid that is not true Genia. David Huckabee and the other young men admitted to the killing, but said it was to put the poor thing down; however, stoning, hanging and beating it is hardly a humane way to put any animal down.

 A local DA did want to prosecute, and contacted the State police to iniate an investigation. then Gov Huckabee&#039;s personal attorney and another representative contacted the Director of the State police and pressured him not to investigate. Director Bailey, director of the state police stated the following (from newsweek)
According to NEWSWEEK, Huckabee fired Arkansas State Police director John Bailey who refused to help coverup this criminal act of cruelty. According to Bailey, Huckabee told him one of the reasons he was being fired was because - &quot;I couldn&#039;t get you to help me with my son when I had that problem.&quot; 
&quot;Without question, [Huckabee] was making a conscious attempt to keep the state police from investigating his son,&quot; says I. C. Smith, the former FBI chief in Little Rock, who worked closely with Bailey and called him a &quot;courageous&quot; and &quot;very solid&quot; professional.
(loosecannonblogspot.com)

I heard huckabee on tv the other day telling a story about a woman who apparently had decided that she would not vote for him because he was a Christian, because she was a Christian too and felt a minister did not belong in politics. Well he made her out to be as vicious as he could, given he&#039;d already said she was an older woman, and with a final imitation of her declaration, he laid his punchline on us, and said, (paraphrased)
&quot;so I told her she wasn&#039;t going to be in a place where she could vote for me anyway, cause I would be in God&#039;s precinct&quot;...I was delighted to hear deafening silence...tgfsf

so now, if you don&#039;t like Huckabee, apparently you are going to hell. If you criticize him, you are against God, because &quot;God has chosen [him] for prez and that is totally responsible for [his] sudden popularity&quot;....(after  Iowa caucus winner speech)


Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday:
&quot;I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution,&quot;&quot;But I believe it&#039;s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that&#039;s what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it&#039;s in God&#039;s standards rather than try to change God&#039;s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view.&quot;

The American Constitution is &quot;some contemporary view&quot;? And precisely who&#039;s idea of God&#039;s standards are we talking about here? The one where we stone the sinners and stock detention halls at schools with a cat o nine tails? With respect, do yourselve&#039;s and America a favor and google Huckabee + reconstructionists...

Ron Paul accidentally called this one dead on back before xmas...if fascism someday conquers us, it will do so while wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross...we can only bring ourselves down. We have to sit here and let it happen for it to happen. 

I wonder how long it will be before people stop judging the character of others based on appearance, wit, wealth, beauty, status and so on and start looking at the fruits of their lives. Their personal ethics. Their voting records, the educations and knowledge, qualifications, consistencies and inconsistencies, their failures and weaknesses even more than success and strengths, its doubtful the successes will harm us...but the choices they made earlier in life can sure warn us of what will. ...because you can&#039;t believe anything most of them say, and life is NOT a friggin reality show. 

It DOES matter, what they do with their lives. It should say something that a governor of a couple of terms, married for 30 +years, has his wife put them on the wedding registry at dept stores so that the general public could buy them gifts to furnish their new mansion...It should say something that he was so corrupt on the gift issue that they felt they needed and subsequently passed an ordinance preventing him from receiving gifts and HE FOUGHT IT&gt; It is extremely pertinent that his office had to pay a settlement of $15,000.00 to a radio talk show host that they harrassed miserably, tried to ruin his reputation and drive him out of town!!! WAKE UP.

None of the surface stuff matters at all. but if one really wants to make a moral choice in a candidate, then one cannot refute and deny the negative that is justifiably reported, one must accept the reality and decide whether their own conscience is willing to take the moral rap for supporting and furthering the power and effect on others of a person with such huge disparities in what he says and what he does, as well as serious, obviousl dual personality issues compounded by inexperience and no real desire to inconvenience himself.

I have heard this &quot;preacher&quot; stand on a dias on national tv and admit
a. he didn&#039;t really understand much of the bible, but he didn&#039;t think that he was supposed to! A preacher telling people that they arent supposed to understand, so how many will take that and say, hey, why study? When faith and confirmation through study will be all that saves many souls from being deceived, according to the bible.  

This same &quot;man of God&quot;, pursued, not the senate, or the congress, or a mayorship, but the governorship. The only elected positions that I know of other than judges and the president with the power of life and death. And no choice in the matter of being the one who must choose. When asked what Jesus would do, this &quot;minister&quot; could only offer a joke, followed up with nothing....because he&#039;s got nothing, not a single pegleg to stand on. He&#039;s a fake and inept. Not qualified for the job nor is he dignified enough for the job.

He destroyed, and I mean, first wiped, then CRUSHED over $300,000.00 worth of computer equip at the end of his term. The taxpayers were forced therefore to replace them for the new incumbent. The governor has historically come into office with a 1/2 million dollars in an &quot;emergency fund&quot;. That money is intended to tide over the city in times of disaster or other emergency. When the new governor came into office after Huck&#039;s term, there were 0 dollars left in the account. The accounting of this money is avail. on the internet...and its not pretty. 

As far as the person who suggested the dog was dangerous etc. If the dog had been dangerous, they would not have been able to take it and hang it and otherwise abuse it. It would have run or fought if it had been dangerous. NO. that dog was run down or lured like any other scared hungry abandoned animal would have been. 

I agree that on the surface Mike seems like a nice guy, but when I say surface I mean the sheen on the skin, not the skin itself. Cross him or criticize him where a camera can&#039;t catch him and get a genuinely rude awakening.  what is on top is not what counts. Its not someone&#039;s religion or declaration of christianity or title; remember please that Jim Jones was a fervent Christian minister too. I do not accuse Huckabee of being Jones&#039; equal (although the phat lady has yet to sing), but to provide perspective in terms of automatically attributing authority and morality based on such unimportant things as self promotion, title, and self declaration of faith...one&#039;s faith SHOWS, which is why he should not have to mention it...constantly...In addition, if he didn&#039;t have such a hard time comprehending the bible, as he himself stated,  he would have seen the following;

Mat 6:5  And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:6  But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 
Mat 6:7  But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

I am a follower of Christ, and I am an extremely conservative Republican, and if he was my only choice, I&#039;d outsource the job.

What matters is the candidate&#039;s moral compass, and Mike&#039;s is spinning like he is in the Bermuda Triangle.

I have no personal beef w/ the man beyond my disappointment in him as an alleged spiritual leader and my downright disgust at his opportunistic self service while in office in Arkansas, as well as his gross misrepresentation of himself on the campaign trail, his incessent exploitation of God as well as the faith of many. 

I was interested in him at first, and before I throw my energy passion and faith in character behind a candidate, I dig DEEP first.  I actually vote my conscience so it has to be involved in the process.

As a result of my digging and research,  I now have a list of very unpleasant, even shocking TRUTHS about that guy as long as my arm; all of which would no doubt dismay those decent people expressing support for him here. But every one of you sounds like a good person, who, if they knew what I now know, wouldn&#039;t consider him for anything more morally complicated than prison warden. I feel certain that this, if it paid enough, would have been his dream job...

Before anyone nods eagerly at the thought of isolating aids by forcible detention of free people, Try to remember that babies and grandmas get aids too. They don&#039;t have to do anything wrong, maybe just get born and or breastfed, or for grandma, a broken hip and bad blood and SNAP, both are in isolation in detention camps in Huckabee&#039;s ideal world. I guess all we Christians can just feel good and self-righteous about the fact that granny and baby have each other...will that make it ok? 

As far as his hopes of further deconstructing the Constitution of a country full of all kinds of people with all kinds of religions and few who can agree on much, try to visualize that ideal as it would apply to YOU if someone who did not agree with you got in office behind him

After disappointing research into every other republican candidate still in the race and half of the democrats just in case, I have settled on the one man who has a stark and unquestioned reputation for upholding the constitution, who has been named &quot;the taxpayers best friend&quot; a number of times; who&#039;s principles are based on his personal faith in God and our God given birthright, liberty, true freedom, but for whom faith is still extremely personal and never exploited for personal gain; for the only man who&#039;s never voted against the constitution in all his 10 terms in congress, who returns a portion of his congressional budget to the treasury each year; who&#039;s never taken a paid junket; who&#039;s office ALL corporate lobbyists DON&#039;T EVEN BOTHER TO STOP AT, because HE IS NOT FOR SALE.... Who does not take advantage of anything not his to take, even the lucrative retirement program available to congress...he refused to sign on and will not participate. The only man who voted no for all congressional gold medals because it was unconstitutional for congress to approve such spending when the taxpayers are forced to foot yet another tax bill, in that case, $30,000.00 dollars. but who, when the name Rosa Parks came up, stood and proposed to the rest of congress that they consider a new tack in this one case, as he wanted her to have it, but his principles would not allow a yes vote, so he offered $100.00 out of his own pocket toward it, challenging the others in congress to do the same, so they could buy it for her themselves, but NOT ONE SINGLE CONGRESSMAN TOOK HIM UP ON IT. Instead, they voted to charge the taxpayers for it and kept their C-notes.

My vote is for the guy who has noticed our rights are missing, KNOWS there is a recession not coming, but here, KNOWS the dollar is virutally worthless and that we&#039;re going broke and being financially colonized by China and Russia through our gigantic debt deficit. My choice wants me to be free, to have the right of habeus corpus and to be protected against rogue FBI agents who can now write their own warrants without the involvement of a judge. 

Dr. Ron Paul is the only decent and PROVEN man in that race. The worst thing surrounding him was the result of his once naive view that he could trust those running a paper w/his name on it, but he did so because that is how he thinks...its the very beauty of the man, he was not suspicious because he fully expected to be treated the way they would want to be treated,because that is the way he treats everyone else. Innocent people are not terribly suspicious. Its those with secrets that suspect everyone else has secrets too. Its the larcenous heart that without cause suspects one of cheating.

I am proud of his denouncement of those passages, and that he took moral responsibility for them despite his utter lack of awareness of the writings until much later.  I know that he abhors every single word.  I also know that at 72 years of age, you could spend the rest of your life looking into his life and you will not find ANYTHING like that having come out of his mouth or his heart. Nothing that HE personally did that was unethical, unprincipled, inconsistent, self serving or in any other way that deviates from what we see in him every day. 

Go look for tapes of his speeches from the 80s, and you will see him saying exactly what he is saying today, which in my book, makes him prophetic. He&#039;s worth a listen, because he is our only hope. Consider Dr. Paul, there were some in here who described the man to a T in their list of expectations and hopes. 

Huckabee, as nice a guy as he seems to be, has a checkered past, was even known as &quot;taxhike mike&quot; because despite his flip flopping on taxes during his gov, term, they were 500 million dollars higher per year in the end. 

I dug very deep w/paul too,  I read all of his books, I ve watched video of him from over a 30 year span, took his website apart, wrote at least 40 letters asking questions (that were ALL answered), scoured for quotes and recommendations and endorsements etc; hunted for dirt and rumor and untowards commentary and there was nothing negative other than the newsletters, which have now apparently been attributed by someone, to Mises (austrian economics) himself.
Dr. Paul really does cure your apathy, I am 50 years old, I thought it was too late for me, I was a big lump of cynicism and negativity, then I heard the doctor...and I was healed...with a vengeance. I have more energy, more ideas, more interest, more involvement, More FUN! and most important of all, I finally have real, honest to goodness, genuine HOPE...and its heels are dug in deep.
May you find it too.
sorry for the rant...but I sincerely think people should know what they are considering. I apologize ahead of time if the information contained herein offends them; but if it helps, I didn&#039;t want it to be true either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12/17/07 at 4:51 pm Genia </p>
<p>&#8220;There are not enough actual facts in this story. These are only allegations, no proof, no truth the young Huckabee was a part of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am afraid that is not true Genia. David Huckabee and the other young men admitted to the killing, but said it was to put the poor thing down; however, stoning, hanging and beating it is hardly a humane way to put any animal down.</p>
<p> A local DA did want to prosecute, and contacted the State police to iniate an investigation. then Gov Huckabee&#8217;s personal attorney and another representative contacted the Director of the State police and pressured him not to investigate. Director Bailey, director of the state police stated the following (from newsweek)<br />
According to NEWSWEEK, Huckabee fired Arkansas State Police director John Bailey who refused to help coverup this criminal act of cruelty. According to Bailey, Huckabee told him one of the reasons he was being fired was because &#8211; &#8220;I couldn&#8217;t get you to help me with my son when I had that problem.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Without question, [Huckabee] was making a conscious attempt to keep the state police from investigating his son,&#8221; says I. C. Smith, the former FBI chief in Little Rock, who worked closely with Bailey and called him a &#8220;courageous&#8221; and &#8220;very solid&#8221; professional.<br />
(loosecannonblogspot.com)</p>
<p>I heard huckabee on tv the other day telling a story about a woman who apparently had decided that she would not vote for him because he was a Christian, because she was a Christian too and felt a minister did not belong in politics. Well he made her out to be as vicious as he could, given he&#8217;d already said she was an older woman, and with a final imitation of her declaration, he laid his punchline on us, and said, (paraphrased)<br />
&#8220;so I told her she wasn&#8217;t going to be in a place where she could vote for me anyway, cause I would be in God&#8217;s precinct&#8221;&#8230;I was delighted to hear deafening silence&#8230;tgfsf</p>
<p>so now, if you don&#8217;t like Huckabee, apparently you are going to hell. If you criticize him, you are against God, because &#8220;God has chosen [him] for prez and that is totally responsible for [his] sudden popularity&#8221;&#8230;.(after  Iowa caucus winner speech)</p>
<p>Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday:<br />
&#8220;I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution,&#8221;"But I believe it&#8217;s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that&#8217;s what we need to do &#8212; to amend the Constitution so it&#8217;s in God&#8217;s standards rather than try to change God&#8217;s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view.&#8221;</p>
<p>The American Constitution is &#8220;some contemporary view&#8221;? And precisely who&#8217;s idea of God&#8217;s standards are we talking about here? The one where we stone the sinners and stock detention halls at schools with a cat o nine tails? With respect, do yourselve&#8217;s and America a favor and google Huckabee + reconstructionists&#8230;</p>
<p>Ron Paul accidentally called this one dead on back before xmas&#8230;if fascism someday conquers us, it will do so while wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross&#8230;we can only bring ourselves down. We have to sit here and let it happen for it to happen. </p>
<p>I wonder how long it will be before people stop judging the character of others based on appearance, wit, wealth, beauty, status and so on and start looking at the fruits of their lives. Their personal ethics. Their voting records, the educations and knowledge, qualifications, consistencies and inconsistencies, their failures and weaknesses even more than success and strengths, its doubtful the successes will harm us&#8230;but the choices they made earlier in life can sure warn us of what will. &#8230;because you can&#8217;t believe anything most of them say, and life is NOT a friggin reality show. </p>
<p>It DOES matter, what they do with their lives. It should say something that a governor of a couple of terms, married for 30 +years, has his wife put them on the wedding registry at dept stores so that the general public could buy them gifts to furnish their new mansion&#8230;It should say something that he was so corrupt on the gift issue that they felt they needed and subsequently passed an ordinance preventing him from receiving gifts and HE FOUGHT IT&gt; It is extremely pertinent that his office had to pay a settlement of $15,000.00 to a radio talk show host that they harrassed miserably, tried to ruin his reputation and drive him out of town!!! WAKE UP.</p>
<p>None of the surface stuff matters at all. but if one really wants to make a moral choice in a candidate, then one cannot refute and deny the negative that is justifiably reported, one must accept the reality and decide whether their own conscience is willing to take the moral rap for supporting and furthering the power and effect on others of a person with such huge disparities in what he says and what he does, as well as serious, obviousl dual personality issues compounded by inexperience and no real desire to inconvenience himself.</p>
<p>I have heard this &#8220;preacher&#8221; stand on a dias on national tv and admit<br />
a. he didn&#8217;t really understand much of the bible, but he didn&#8217;t think that he was supposed to! A preacher telling people that they arent supposed to understand, so how many will take that and say, hey, why study? When faith and confirmation through study will be all that saves many souls from being deceived, according to the bible.  </p>
<p>This same &#8220;man of God&#8221;, pursued, not the senate, or the congress, or a mayorship, but the governorship. The only elected positions that I know of other than judges and the president with the power of life and death. And no choice in the matter of being the one who must choose. When asked what Jesus would do, this &#8220;minister&#8221; could only offer a joke, followed up with nothing&#8230;.because he&#8217;s got nothing, not a single pegleg to stand on. He&#8217;s a fake and inept. Not qualified for the job nor is he dignified enough for the job.</p>
<p>He destroyed, and I mean, first wiped, then CRUSHED over $300,000.00 worth of computer equip at the end of his term. The taxpayers were forced therefore to replace them for the new incumbent. The governor has historically come into office with a 1/2 million dollars in an &#8220;emergency fund&#8221;. That money is intended to tide over the city in times of disaster or other emergency. When the new governor came into office after Huck&#8217;s term, there were 0 dollars left in the account. The accounting of this money is avail. on the internet&#8230;and its not pretty. </p>
<p>As far as the person who suggested the dog was dangerous etc. If the dog had been dangerous, they would not have been able to take it and hang it and otherwise abuse it. It would have run or fought if it had been dangerous. NO. that dog was run down or lured like any other scared hungry abandoned animal would have been. </p>
<p>I agree that on the surface Mike seems like a nice guy, but when I say surface I mean the sheen on the skin, not the skin itself. Cross him or criticize him where a camera can&#8217;t catch him and get a genuinely rude awakening.  what is on top is not what counts. Its not someone&#8217;s religion or declaration of christianity or title; remember please that Jim Jones was a fervent Christian minister too. I do not accuse Huckabee of being Jones&#8217; equal (although the phat lady has yet to sing), but to provide perspective in terms of automatically attributing authority and morality based on such unimportant things as self promotion, title, and self declaration of faith&#8230;one&#8217;s faith SHOWS, which is why he should not have to mention it&#8230;constantly&#8230;In addition, if he didn&#8217;t have such a hard time comprehending the bible, as he himself stated,  he would have seen the following;</p>
<p>Mat 6:5  And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.<br />
Mat 6:6  But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.<br />
Mat 6:7  But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.</p>
<p>I am a follower of Christ, and I am an extremely conservative Republican, and if he was my only choice, I&#8217;d outsource the job.</p>
<p>What matters is the candidate&#8217;s moral compass, and Mike&#8217;s is spinning like he is in the Bermuda Triangle.</p>
<p>I have no personal beef w/ the man beyond my disappointment in him as an alleged spiritual leader and my downright disgust at his opportunistic self service while in office in Arkansas, as well as his gross misrepresentation of himself on the campaign trail, his incessent exploitation of God as well as the faith of many. </p>
<p>I was interested in him at first, and before I throw my energy passion and faith in character behind a candidate, I dig DEEP first.  I actually vote my conscience so it has to be involved in the process.</p>
<p>As a result of my digging and research,  I now have a list of very unpleasant, even shocking TRUTHS about that guy as long as my arm; all of which would no doubt dismay those decent people expressing support for him here. But every one of you sounds like a good person, who, if they knew what I now know, wouldn&#8217;t consider him for anything more morally complicated than prison warden. I feel certain that this, if it paid enough, would have been his dream job&#8230;</p>
<p>Before anyone nods eagerly at the thought of isolating aids by forcible detention of free people, Try to remember that babies and grandmas get aids too. They don&#8217;t have to do anything wrong, maybe just get born and or breastfed, or for grandma, a broken hip and bad blood and SNAP, both are in isolation in detention camps in Huckabee&#8217;s ideal world. I guess all we Christians can just feel good and self-righteous about the fact that granny and baby have each other&#8230;will that make it ok? </p>
<p>As far as his hopes of further deconstructing the Constitution of a country full of all kinds of people with all kinds of religions and few who can agree on much, try to visualize that ideal as it would apply to YOU if someone who did not agree with you got in office behind him</p>
<p>After disappointing research into every other republican candidate still in the race and half of the democrats just in case, I have settled on the one man who has a stark and unquestioned reputation for upholding the constitution, who has been named &#8220;the taxpayers best friend&#8221; a number of times; who&#8217;s principles are based on his personal faith in God and our God given birthright, liberty, true freedom, but for whom faith is still extremely personal and never exploited for personal gain; for the only man who&#8217;s never voted against the constitution in all his 10 terms in congress, who returns a portion of his congressional budget to the treasury each year; who&#8217;s never taken a paid junket; who&#8217;s office ALL corporate lobbyists DON&#8217;T EVEN BOTHER TO STOP AT, because HE IS NOT FOR SALE&#8230;. Who does not take advantage of anything not his to take, even the lucrative retirement program available to congress&#8230;he refused to sign on and will not participate. The only man who voted no for all congressional gold medals because it was unconstitutional for congress to approve such spending when the taxpayers are forced to foot yet another tax bill, in that case, $30,000.00 dollars. but who, when the name Rosa Parks came up, stood and proposed to the rest of congress that they consider a new tack in this one case, as he wanted her to have it, but his principles would not allow a yes vote, so he offered $100.00 out of his own pocket toward it, challenging the others in congress to do the same, so they could buy it for her themselves, but NOT ONE SINGLE CONGRESSMAN TOOK HIM UP ON IT. Instead, they voted to charge the taxpayers for it and kept their C-notes.</p>
<p>My vote is for the guy who has noticed our rights are missing, KNOWS there is a recession not coming, but here, KNOWS the dollar is virutally worthless and that we&#8217;re going broke and being financially colonized by China and Russia through our gigantic debt deficit. My choice wants me to be free, to have the right of habeus corpus and to be protected against rogue FBI agents who can now write their own warrants without the involvement of a judge. </p>
<p>Dr. Ron Paul is the only decent and PROVEN man in that race. The worst thing surrounding him was the result of his once naive view that he could trust those running a paper w/his name on it, but he did so because that is how he thinks&#8230;its the very beauty of the man, he was not suspicious because he fully expected to be treated the way they would want to be treated,because that is the way he treats everyone else. Innocent people are not terribly suspicious. Its those with secrets that suspect everyone else has secrets too. Its the larcenous heart that without cause suspects one of cheating.</p>
<p>I am proud of his denouncement of those passages, and that he took moral responsibility for them despite his utter lack of awareness of the writings until much later.  I know that he abhors every single word.  I also know that at 72 years of age, you could spend the rest of your life looking into his life and you will not find ANYTHING like that having come out of his mouth or his heart. Nothing that HE personally did that was unethical, unprincipled, inconsistent, self serving or in any other way that deviates from what we see in him every day. </p>
<p>Go look for tapes of his speeches from the 80s, and you will see him saying exactly what he is saying today, which in my book, makes him prophetic. He&#8217;s worth a listen, because he is our only hope. Consider Dr. Paul, there were some in here who described the man to a T in their list of expectations and hopes. </p>
<p>Huckabee, as nice a guy as he seems to be, has a checkered past, was even known as &#8220;taxhike mike&#8221; because despite his flip flopping on taxes during his gov, term, they were 500 million dollars higher per year in the end. </p>
<p>I dug very deep w/paul too,  I read all of his books, I ve watched video of him from over a 30 year span, took his website apart, wrote at least 40 letters asking questions (that were ALL answered), scoured for quotes and recommendations and endorsements etc; hunted for dirt and rumor and untowards commentary and there was nothing negative other than the newsletters, which have now apparently been attributed by someone, to Mises (austrian economics) himself.<br />
Dr. Paul really does cure your apathy, I am 50 years old, I thought it was too late for me, I was a big lump of cynicism and negativity, then I heard the doctor&#8230;and I was healed&#8230;with a vengeance. I have more energy, more ideas, more interest, more involvement, More FUN! and most important of all, I finally have real, honest to goodness, genuine HOPE&#8230;and its heels are dug in deep.<br />
May you find it too.<br />
sorry for the rant&#8230;but I sincerely think people should know what they are considering. I apologize ahead of time if the information contained herein offends them; but if it helps, I didn&#8217;t want it to be true either.</p>
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		<dc:creator>John FW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;**I’m not surprised it involves republicans, what a bunch of assholes.**&lt;/i&gt;

barb,

I&#039;m a conservative Republican, and I&#039;ve been involved in animal rescue for over 20 years. In addition to working with local, grass-roots organizations (donating my time &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; money) that place dogs and cats in homes, I have personally rescued, fostered and placed well over a hundred cats and dogs.

I don&#039;t like and won&#039;t vote for Huckabee, and I made that decision before I ever read this terrible story, but you should be ashamed of yourself for stereotyping people as animal-haters based on their politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>**I’m not surprised it involves republicans, what a bunch of assholes.**</i></p>
<p>barb,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a conservative Republican, and I&#8217;ve been involved in animal rescue for over 20 years. In addition to working with local, grass-roots organizations (donating my time <i>and</i> money) that place dogs and cats in homes, I have personally rescued, fostered and placed well over a hundred cats and dogs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like and won&#8217;t vote for Huckabee, and I made that decision before I ever read this terrible story, but you should be ashamed of yourself for stereotyping people as animal-haters based on their politics.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron D</dc:creator>
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		<description>The point of all of this is that it was swept under the rug since it was &quot;his&quot; son.  That is NOT the way to deal with this situation - and Huckabee should be held accoutable for they way he dealt with it or &quot;allowed&quot; it to be dealt with.  

Even if you are not an animal lover - you must know that this type of behavior often leads to more series crimes against people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of all of this is that it was swept under the rug since it was &#8220;his&#8221; son.  That is NOT the way to deal with this situation &#8211; and Huckabee should be held accoutable for they way he dealt with it or &#8220;allowed&#8221; it to be dealt with.  </p>
<p>Even if you are not an animal lover &#8211; you must know that this type of behavior often leads to more series crimes against people.</p>
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		<description>Leaving all politics aside, if that had been my son I would not have stood in the way of him being punished.  If the dog really was sick, they should have taken it to a vet for treatment.  If the vet had decided the dog should be humanely euthanized, then so be it.   This speaks very poorly of his judgment and his empathy for other creatures... and let&#039;s not forget, the acorn tends to fall not very far from the tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leaving all politics aside, if that had been my son I would not have stood in the way of him being punished.  If the dog really was sick, they should have taken it to a vet for treatment.  If the vet had decided the dog should be humanely euthanized, then so be it.   This speaks very poorly of his judgment and his empathy for other creatures&#8230; and let&#8217;s not forget, the acorn tends to fall not very far from the tree.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
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		<description>Son David who allegedly tortured a dog was arrested not long ago for taking a gun into the airport.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3085058</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Son David who allegedly tortured a dog was arrested not long ago for taking a gun into the airport.<br />
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